The earth is not divided by political lines, and words like " India" are certainly symbolic. It simply means the eternal search for truth.
"Himalaya" is also a symbol, a symbol for peace, serenity, silence.
The physical, the material, is not important. You should listen to the significance, the symbolic meaning in it.
India is not confined by the boundaries. Anybody who has been a seeker of truth is part of India. He may be Henry Thoreau in America, he may be Martin Buber in Jerusalem, he may be Bertrand Russell in England, he may be a Socrates in Athens -- but these people belong to a certain, symbolic world which is not parallel to the geographical and the political.
For example, most of the Indians are not Indians. The majority of them has no concern for the spiritual. They are more greedy than people anywhere else. They are more materialistic than the people they condemn as materialistic.
Spirituality is absolutely individual. The moment you organize it, you kill it. You can see it all around the world in all the religions, just corpses.
There is a very famous story that a man came running to the devil and told him that, "What are you doing sitting here! A certain man on the earth has found the truth. Do something; otherwise your business is finished!"
The devil laughed. He said, "You are a new servant here -- you don't know me. My people have already reached there; they have become his successors his priests, his scholars. They are standing between him and the people. They will not let the truth reach the people without their interpretation -- and their interpretation is my interpretation."
It is a tremendously beautiful anecdote.
Mahavira was against Brahmanism, his whole revolt was against Brahmanism, but his eleven chief disciples were all Brahmins. He never wrote a single word; these eleven Brahmins wrote all the scriptures, and Jainism has been worshipping those scriptures for twenty-five centuries.
Now this is very strange: a man who is against Brahmanism is represented by Brahmins to the whole world.
The same happened to Buddha. He was also against the Vedas, against the Upanishads, against the whole tradition of Hinduism, but he found all his successors Brahmins. They turned, they changed, they made meanings that was easy for them. They listened from a Hindu mind. Whatever Buddha had said, they managed to support it, exactly what he was opposing.
There have been many founders and nothing has been founded.
All kinds of organizations and the successors and the churches and the shankaracharyas and the popes and Ayatollah Khomeiniacs, all these are not seekers of truth, they are exploiters of the masses in the name of truth.
And the best place is the lowest because from there you cannot fall.
"Himalaya" is also a symbol, a symbol for peace, serenity, silence.
The physical, the material, is not important. You should listen to the significance, the symbolic meaning in it.
India is not confined by the boundaries. Anybody who has been a seeker of truth is part of India. He may be Henry Thoreau in America, he may be Martin Buber in Jerusalem, he may be Bertrand Russell in England, he may be a Socrates in Athens -- but these people belong to a certain, symbolic world which is not parallel to the geographical and the political.
For example, most of the Indians are not Indians. The majority of them has no concern for the spiritual. They are more greedy than people anywhere else. They are more materialistic than the people they condemn as materialistic.
Spirituality is absolutely individual. The moment you organize it, you kill it. You can see it all around the world in all the religions, just corpses.
There is a very famous story that a man came running to the devil and told him that, "What are you doing sitting here! A certain man on the earth has found the truth. Do something; otherwise your business is finished!"
The devil laughed. He said, "You are a new servant here -- you don't know me. My people have already reached there; they have become his successors his priests, his scholars. They are standing between him and the people. They will not let the truth reach the people without their interpretation -- and their interpretation is my interpretation."
It is a tremendously beautiful anecdote.
Mahavira was against Brahmanism, his whole revolt was against Brahmanism, but his eleven chief disciples were all Brahmins. He never wrote a single word; these eleven Brahmins wrote all the scriptures, and Jainism has been worshipping those scriptures for twenty-five centuries.
Now this is very strange: a man who is against Brahmanism is represented by Brahmins to the whole world.
The same happened to Buddha. He was also against the Vedas, against the Upanishads, against the whole tradition of Hinduism, but he found all his successors Brahmins. They turned, they changed, they made meanings that was easy for them. They listened from a Hindu mind. Whatever Buddha had said, they managed to support it, exactly what he was opposing.
There have been many founders and nothing has been founded.
All kinds of organizations and the successors and the churches and the shankaracharyas and the popes and Ayatollah Khomeiniacs, all these are not seekers of truth, they are exploiters of the masses in the name of truth.
And the best place is the lowest because from there you cannot fall.
hans-wolfgang - am Samstag, 23. Oktober 2004, 01:10